The Flip Side Of Creamy Layer

There are lot of people out there screaming to implement the creamy layer for the proposed quota bill. What that means that the OBCs belonging to creamy layer should not be considered eligible for quota benefits.
There are an equal number of people who claim that the creamy layer criteria should not be implemented. In fact it has been argued that excluding creamy layer will in fact “dilute” the quota bill. Their another argument is that the GC(General Category) candidates do not want the benefits to be extended to OBC candidates and hence they harp about the creamy layer argument.

Let us really examine this with some numbers and see who benefits and how.

The Current Situation Without Reservations.
As of now out of 100 seats 22 are for SC/ST and igonring other quotas, there 78 seats for the GC which includes the OBCs. This means GCs and OBCs will together compete for 78 seats.

Now Let us consider two cases, one with the creamy layer exclusion and one without the creamy layer exclusion.
I will make one assumption here that even without reservations there are at least 27% OBCs getting admitted in Educational Institutes and that most of them will fall into the creamy layer.

Case 1: Creamy Layer Not Included In The Quota Bill
Let us assume there are 100 seats and 22 are there for SC/ST and 27 for OBCs. That leaves 51 seats for the GC.
Now look at the 27 OBCs who were going to get admission anyway even without quota.

  1. If all these were from creamy layer then they will compete with the GC for 51 seats meaning now extra 27% students compete for 51 seats. This will hurt the GC more but will be in line with the philosophy of quota that a lot of other OBCs get admission to educational institutes which would have been neglected otherwise.
  2. If all these are from non creamy layer then the ratio of the students will be the same as before. Then what will be the benefit? The benefit will be to the OBC students so that they might be able to choose better discipline e.g. he could now get “Computer Engineering” instead of “Civil Engineering” if there was no quota. This may hurt the GC candidates a bit in a way that even though they make it to the desired institution, they might not get their desired field of study.
  3. The actual situation might be in between the two cases mentioned above.

Case 2: Creamy Layer Included In the Quota Bill:
Taking the same case of 100 seats let us see what happens now.
Loot at the 27 OBCs

  1. The 27 OBCs that were getting admitted will still get admitted but the difference will be that they will now be able to take better field of study in the same institution. This may hurt the GC candidate in a way that he might not get his desired field of study.
  2. These 27 OBCs would have gotten admitted anyway. Quota or no Quota. The only thing quota helped them achieve is to get better field of study. This system will not benefit any new OBCs or would not achieve the desired goal of admitting OBC students who would not have gotten admission otherwise.

If you compare the two cases, you will see that the first case hurts the GC candidate’s chances more than case 2 but most of the GC are still fighting to get Case 1 implemented because that will help attain the desired goal of providing more representation to the under privilged.

Now you can decide who is asking for the right thing. The OBCs asking for case 2 in my view are being selfish because they don’t want the truly underprivileged OBCs to be represented well in the educational institution.

If you do not agree on my assumption that at least 27% OBCs are already getting admitted to educational institutions. If that is an incorrect assumption then the quota for OBC will help the underprivilged as it is designed to.

August 9, 2006 В· Ajit В· 8 Comments
Posted in: India, Quota Reservations, Reservations

8 Responses

  1. realitycheck - August 9, 2006

    Polite Indian,

    You are absolutely right regarding the mechanics of the creamy layer.

    Two other very important reasons.

    1. As more people are excluded due to the creamy layer criterion, the more people fall out of the vote banks.

    2. More and more segments of people will demand a closer study of the system.

    3. Since most politicians and their relatives fall in the creamy layer, their personal vested interests will be minimized.

    4. It would remove some crazy anomalies that are getting worse everyday. Take the case of IT workers in TN, by the time their kids come to college, they have lived in many parts of the world, enroll in the most elite schools here, take vacations in exotic parts. If the creamy layer is not excluded, the entire quota will become farcical if the kids of this person get admission.

    5. The above example is not a borderline or extreme case. There are enough OBC candidates who fit the above profile to fill all the seats many times over.–>

  2. mineguruji - August 20, 2006

    the only objective of the upper caste thugs is to scuttle the OBc quota and nothing else. what they want is to enjoy the power and pelf and the hegemony their ancestors have left with them. these people are very powerful and clever and they want us to be theiur servants forever.
    Nothing but a revolution will save us and India from these people.

  3. politeindian - August 20, 2006

    mineguruji:
    I can see a lot of hatred in your posts for the so called upper caste. There might be very valid reasons for that, but I don’t think this kind of hatred is going to take us towards any kind of solution. A solution to the existing social problem can not be achieved by an attitude of “revenge”.
    What we need, are policies of assimilation and not segregation. We definitely need a revolution but that is against the caste system and not against any particular caste. This caste based name calling and hatred needs to end if we have to move towards any kind of social justice.

    BTW, you didn’t mention whether you agree with the conclusions of the article or not?

  4. confused - August 29, 2006

    PI,

    The actual number of OBC might be closer to around 20% rather than 27%. But the point is beside that, if we are going to have reservations then atleast they should benefit the real needy.

    And don’t worry about mineguruji and such folks, they have no interest in any facts.

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  6. minenotguruji - November 15, 2006

    mineguruji: You want to get the education from the monehy payed as taxed to the governament. Until the reservations are dismatlaed India will be the pooerest conuntry… Come and work and dont be lazy…….

    I truly agree with the concept..

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  8. against_reservations! - May 15, 2008

    The OBC reservation proposal never made sense. Higher education admissions should be fair. Everyone should compete for seats and the smartest should get them. Only that’s fair. I’m against OBC reservations, SC/ST reservations, NRI reservations . Even though I’m an NRI i never applied for admission under the NRI quota, coz I think it’s not fair.
    People should STOP demanding reservations and politicians stop proposing them to increase the vote bank ; instead encourage people to work their capacity off and carve out their future in a higher education institution.
    I would recommend special scholarships be given to those OBC/ST/SCs who make through the admissions process, but NO reservations!

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